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Interesting piece! Language can really be a pain in the ass sometimes, even if we don't go full late Wittgenstein and make the whole thing a mess.

I did have two questions:

1.) I was reading Eric Asimov's How to Love Wine recently and he has an essay in there (idr the exact title, it had "tasting note" in it) where he argues against the use of flavor words in wine descriptions more or less at all, instead preferring an older-style of more experiential / metaphorical descriptors, which he views as more functionally useful. Do you think that's where we ought to go, if our flavor words aren't serving? I admit I'm a little persuaded by it myself.

2.) On the cider point, how complicated does a category have to get before using the category term becomes useless? For me it's the "coffee" note. What people have in mind when they think of that describes neither one of the blueberry bomb Yirgs from the 2010s or a floral Gesha, let alone all the weird coferments people are doing now. But I still understand what people mean when they say "coffee" as a note. To my mind it seems like an example of language being useful to convey a mutual understanding of the sort you're talking about here, even if it's disrespectful to the depth of the category as a whole. Is cider different for you?

Hell, people use "wine" as a flavor note for coffee, sometimes with "red" or "white" appended, but nothing more specific than that.

It's a really tricky subject! I appreciate your being so methodical about it.

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